Sunday, May 15, 2011

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?


By P.N. Oak (Historian)

Kaaba a Hindu Temple?

[Note: A recent archeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilisation and Arabia.]

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?
By P.N. Oak (Historian)



A Shiv Linga forms the core of Kaaba

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."

For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:

"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".
(Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul).
[Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.]

A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:

  1. That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.
  2. That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.
  3. That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.
An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court. Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower.

Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya’s scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.

In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.

The pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic

compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after prophet Mohammad’s times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty. The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid’s times.
Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of Harun-al-Rashid’s court, has compiled and edited the anthology.

The first modern edition of ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.

The collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia. The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual haj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.

But the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions were widely respected throughout Arabia. Mecca, therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss. The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Siva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Siva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.

Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahankal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Siva) associated with Vikramaditya. Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?

A few miles away from Mecca is a big signboard which bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture.

As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets.
The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Siva emblem, is known as the Kaaba. It is clothed in a black shroud. That custom also originates from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 images. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed, was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of ‘Navagraha’ puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon.

In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.

Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).
[Note: Even today, Muslim pilgrims who go to the Kaaba for Haj regard this Zam-Zam water with reverence and take some bottled water with them as sacred water.]

Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed.

The practice of taking seven steps- known as Saptapadi in Sanskrit- is associated with Hindu marriage ceremony and fire worship. The culminating rite in a Hindu marriage enjoins upon the bride and groom to go round the sacred fire four times (but misunderstood by many as seven times). Since "Makha" means fire, the seven circumambulations also prove that Mecca was the seat of Indian fire-worship in the West Asia.
It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term ‘ALLAH’ forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.

One Koranic verse is an exact translation of a stanza in the Yajurveda. This was pointed out by the great research scholar Pandit Satavlekar of Pardi in one of his articles.
[Note: Another scholar points out that the following teaching from the Koran is exactly similar to the teaching of the Kena Upanishad (1.7).

The Koran:

"Sight perceives Him not. But He perceives men's sights; for He is the knower of secrets, the Aware."

Kena Upanishad:

"That which cannot be seen by the eye but through which the eye itself sees, know That to be Brahman (God) and not what people worship here (in the manifested world)."
A simplified meaning of both the above verses reads:
God is one and that He is beyond man's sensory experience.
The identity of Unani and Ayurvedic systems shows that Unani is just the Arabic term for the Ayurvedic system of healing taught to them and administered in Arabia when Arabia formed part of the Indian empire.

It will now be easy to comprehend the various Hindu customs still prevailing in West Asian countries even after the existence of Islam during the last 1300 years. Let us review some Hindu traditions which exist as the core of Islamic practice.

The Hindus have a pantheon of 33 gods. People in Asia Minor too worshipped 33 gods before the spread of Islam. The lunar calendar was introduced in West Asia during the Indian rule. The Muslim month ‘Safar’ signifying the ‘extra’ month (Adhik Maas) in the Hindu calendar. The Muslim month Rabi is the corrupt form of Ravi meaning the sun because Sanskrit ‘V’ changes into Prakrit ‘B’ (Prakrit being the popular version of Sanskrit language). The Muslim sanctity for Gyrahwi Sharif is nothing but the Hindu Ekadashi (Gyrah = elevan or Gyaarah).

Both are identical in meaning.

The Islamic practice of Bakari Eed derives from the Go-Medh and Ashva-Medh Yagnas or sacrifices of Vedic times. Eed in Sanskrit means worship. The Islamic word Eed for festive days, signifying days of worship, is therefore a pure Sanskrit word. The word MESH in the Hindu zodiac signifies a lamb. Since in ancient times the year used to begin with the entry of the sun in Aries, the occasion was celebrated with mutton feasting. That is the origin of the Bakari Eed festival.

[Note: The word Bakari is an Indian language word for a goat.]
Since Eed means worship and Griha means ‘house’, the Islamic word Idgah signifies a ‘House of worship’ which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term. Similarly the word ‘Namaz’ derives from two Sanskrit roots ‘Nama’ and ‘Yajna’ (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.
Vedic descriptions about the moon, the different stellar constellations and the creation of the universe have been incorporated from the Vedas in Koran part 1 chapter 2, stanza 113, 114, 115, and 158, 189, chapter 9, stanza 37 and chapter 10, stanzas 4 to 7.

Recital of the Namaz five times a day owes its origin to the Vedic injunction of Panchmahayagna (five daily worship- Panch-Maha-Yagna) which is part of the daily Vedic ritual prescribed for all individuals.

Muslims are enjoined cleanliness of five parts of the body before commencing prayers. This derives from the Vedic injuction ‘Shareer Shydhyartham Panchanga Nyasah’.
Four months of the year are regarded as very sacred in Islamic custom. The devout are enjoined to abstain from plunder and other evil deeds during that period. This originates in the Chaturmasa i.e., the four-month period of special vows and austerities in Hindu tradition. Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Vrat and Shiva Ratra. Since the Kaaba has been an important centre of Shiva (Siva) worship from times immemorial, the Shivaratri festival used to be celebrated there with great gusto. It is that festival which is signified by the Islamic word Shabibarat.

Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic. But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita.

According to extant Islamic records, Indian merchants had settled in Arabia, particularly in Yemen, and their life and manners deeply influenced those who came in touch with them. At Ubla there was a large number of Indian settlements. This shows that Indians were in Arabia and Yemen in sufficient strength and commanding position to be able to influence the local people. This could not be possible unless they belonged to the ruling class.

It is mentioned in the Abadis i.e., the authentic traditions of Prophet Mohammad compiled by Imam Bukhari that the Indian tribe of Jats had settled in Arabia before Prophet Mohammad’s times. Once when Hazrat Ayesha, wife of the Prophet, was taken ill, her nephew sent for a Jat physician for her treatment. This proves that Indians enjoyed a high and esteemed status in Arabia. Such a status could not be theirs unless they were the rulers. Bukhari also tells us that an Indian Raja (king) sent a jar of ginger pickles to the Prophet. This shows that the Indian Jat Raja ruled an adjacent area so as to be in a position to send such an insignificant present as ginger pickles. The Prophet is said to have so highly relished it as to have told his colleagues also to partake of it. These references show that even during Prophet Mohammad’s times Indians retained their influential role in Arabia, which was a dwindling legacy from Vikramaditya’s times.

The Islamic term ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ derives from the ‘Eed of Piters’ that is worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition. In India, Hindus commemorate their ancestors during the Pitr-Paksha that is the fortnight reserved for their remembrance. The very same is the significance of ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ (worship of forefathers).

The Islamic practice of observing the moon rise before deciding on celebrating the occasion derives from the Hindu custom of breaking fast on Sankranti and Vinayaki Chaturthi only after sighting the moon.

Barah Vafat, the Muslim festival for commemorating those dead in battle or by weapons, derives from a similar Sanskrit tradition because in Sanskrit ‘Phiphaut’ is ‘death’. Hindus observe Chayal Chaturdashi in memory of those who have died in battle.

The word Arabia is itself the abbreviation of a Sanskrit word. The original word is ‘Arabasthan’. Since Prakrit ‘B’ is Sanskrit ‘V’ the original Sanskrit name of the land is ‘Arvasthan’. ‘Arva’ in Sanskrit means a horse. Arvasthan signifies a land of horses., and as well all know, Arabia is famous for its horses.
This discovery changes the entire complexion of the history of ancient India. Firstly we may have to revise our concepts about the king who had the largest empire in history. It could be that the expanse of king Vikramaditya’s empire was greater than that of all others. Secondly, the idea that the Indian empire spread only to the east and not in the west beyond say, Afghanisthan may have to be abandoned. Thirdly the effeminate and pathetic belief that India, unlike any other country in the world could by some age spread her benign and beatific cultural influence, language, customs, manners and education over distant lands without militarily conquering them is baseless. India did conquer all those countries physically wherever traces of its culture and language are still extant and the region extended from Bali island in the south Pacific to the Baltic in Northern Europe and from Korea to Kaaba. The only difference was that while Indian rulers identified themselves with the local population and established welfare states, Moghuls and others who ruled conquered lands perpetuated untold atrocities over the vanquished.

‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ tells us that a pan-Arabic poetic symposium used to be held in Mecca at the annual Okaj fair in pre-Islamic times. All leading poets used to participate in it.
Poems considered best were awarded prizes. The best-engraved on gold plate were hung inside the temple. Others etched on camel or goatskin were hung outside. Thus for thousands of years the Kaaba was the treasure house of the best Arabian poetic thought inspired by the Indian Vedic tradition.

That tradition being of immemorial antiquity many poetic compositions were engraved and hung inside and outside on the walls of the Kaaba. But most of the poems got lost and destroyed during the storming of the Kaaba by Prophet Mohammad’s troops. The Prophet’s court poet, Hassan-bin-Sawik, who was among the invaders, captured some of the treasured poems and dumped the gold plate on which they were inscribed in his own home. Sawik’s grandson, hoping to earn a reward carried those gold plates to Khalif’s court where he met the well-known Arab scholar Abu Amir Asamai. The latter received from the bearer five gold plates and 16 leather sheets with the prize-winning poems engraved on them. The bearer was sent away happy bestowed with a good reward.
On the five gold plates were inscribed verses by ancient Arab poets like Labi Baynay, Akhatab-bin-Turfa and Jarrham Bintoi. That discovery made Harun-al-Rashid order Abu Amir to compile a collection of all earlier compositions. One of the compositions in the collection is a tribute in verse paid by Jarrham Bintoi, a renowned Arab poet, to king Vikramaditya. Bintoi who lived 165 years before Prophet Mohammad had received the highest award for the best poetic compositions for three years in succession in the pan-Arabic symposiums held in Mecca every year. All those three poems of Bintoi adjudged best were hung inside the Kaaba temple, inscribed on gold plates. One of these constituted an unreserved tribute to King Vikramaditya for his paternal and filial rule over Arabia. That has already been quoted above.

Pre-Islamic Arabian poet Bintoi’s tribute to king Vikramaditya is a decisive evidence that it was king Vikramaditya who first conquered the Arabian Peninsula and made it a part of the Indian Empire. This explains why starting from India towards the west we have all Sanskrit names like Afghanisthan (now Afghanistan), Baluchisthan, Kurdisthan, Tajikiathan, Uzbekisthan,  Iran, Sivisthan, Iraq, Arvasthan, Turkesthan (Turkmenisthan) etc.

Historians have blundered in not giving due weight to the evidence provided by Sanskrit names pervading over the entire west Asian region. Let us take a contemporary instance. Why did a part of India get named Nagaland even after the end of British rule over India? After all historical traces are wiped out of human memory, will a future age historian be wrong if he concludes from the name Nagaland that the British or some English speaking power must have ruled over India? Why is Portuguese spoken in Goa (part of India), and French in Pondichery (part of India), and both French and English in Canada? Is it not because those people ruled over the territories where their languages are spoken? Can we not then justly conclude that wherever traces of Sanskrit names and traditions exist Indians once held sway? It is unfortunate that this important piece of decisive evidence has been ignored all these centuries.

Another question which should have presented itself to historians for consideration is how could it be that Indian empires could extend in the east as far as Korea and Japan, while not being able to make headway beyond Afghanisthan? In fact land campaigns are much easier to conduct than by sea. It was the Indians who ruled the entire West Asian region from Karachi to Hedjaz and who gave Sanskrit names to those lands and the towns therein, introduce their pantheon of the fire-worship, imparted education and established law and order.

It may be that Arabia itself was not part of the Indian empire until king Vikrama , since Bintoi says that it was king Vikrama who for the first time brought about a radical change in the social, cultural and political life of Arabia. It may be that the whole of West Asia except Arabia was under Indian rule before Vikrama. The latter added Arabia too to the Indian Empire. Or as a remote possibility it could be that king Vikramaditya himself conducted a series of brilliant campaigns annexing to his empire the vast region between Afghanisthan and Hedjaz.
Incidentally this also explains why king Vikramaditya is so famous in history. Apart from the nobility and truthfulness of heart and his impartial filial affection for all his subjects, whether Indian or Arab, as testified by Bintoi, king Vikramaditya has been permanently enshrined in the pages of history because he was the world’s greatest ruler having the largest empire. It should be remembered that only a monarch with a vast empire gets famous in world history. Vikram Samvat (calendar still widely in use in India today) which he initiated over 2000 years ago may well mark his victory over Arabia, and the so called Kutub Minar (Kutub Tower in Delhi), a pillar commemorating that victory and the consequential marriage with the Vaihika (Balkh) princess as testified by the nearby iron pillar inscription.

A great many puzzles of ancient world history get automatically solved by a proper understanding of these great conquests of king Vikramaditya. As recorded by the Arab poet Bintoi, Indian scholars, preachers and social workers spread the fire-worship ceremony, preached the Vedic way of life, manned schools, set up Ayurvedic (healing) centres, trained the local people in irrigation and agriculture and established in those regions a democratic, orderly, peaceful, enlightened and religious way of life. That was of course, a Vedic Hindu way of life.

It is from such ancient times that Indian Kshtriya royal families, like the Pahalvis and Barmaks, have held sway over Iran and Iraq. It is those conquests, which made the Parsees Agnihotris i.e., fire-worshippers. It is therefore that we find the Kurds of Kurdisthan speaking a Sanskritised dialect, fire temples existing thousands of miles away from India, and scores of sites of ancient Indian cultural centres like Navbahar in West Asia and the numerous viharas in Soviet Russia spread throughout the world. Ever since so many viharas are often dug up in Soviet Russia, ancient Indian sculptures are also found in excavations in Central Asia. The same goes for West Asia.
[Note: Ancient Indian sculptures include metal statues of the Hindu deity Ganesh (the elephant headed god); the most recent find being in Kuwait].

Unfortunately these chapters of world history have been almost obliterated from public memory. They need to be carefully deciphered and rewritten. When these chapters are rewritten they might change the entire concept and orientation of ancient history.

In view of the overwhelming evidence led above, historians, scholars, students of history and lay men alike should take note that they had better revise their text books of ancient world history. The existence of Hindu customs, shrines, Sanskrit names of whole regions, countries and towns and the Vikramaditya inscriptions reproduced at the beginning are a thumping proof that Indian Kshatriyas once ruled over the vast region from Bali to Baltic and Korea to Kaaba in Mecca, Arabia at the very least.

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The following explanation is reproduced from the Sword of Truth archives.

All Arabic copies of the Koran have the mysterious figure 786 imprinted on them . No Arabic scholar has been able to determine the choice of this particular number as divine. It is an established fact that Muhammad was illiterate therefore it is obvious that he would not be able to differentiate numbers from letters. This "magical" number is none other than the Vedic holy letter "OM" written in Sanskrit (Refer to figure 2). Anyone who knows Sanskrit can try reading the symbol for "OM" backwards in the Arabic way and magically the numbers 786 will appear! Muslims in their ignorance simply do not realise that this special number is nothing more than the holiest of Vedic symbols misread.

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First of all I heartly thank for hosting such a beautiful website. I read the message " Is the Kabaa a Hindu temple ???". It was a very Intresting, thought provoking and informative message. I would like to bring to your notice regarding this, that the word Kabaa might have come from the TAMIL language - Kabaalishwaran temple (TAMIL is considered as one of the oldest languages of the world). Dravidian's worshiped Lord Shiva as their Primal Deity - Indus valley civilization. Shiva Temple's in South India are called as Kabaalishwaran temple's. Kabaali - refers to Lord Shiva.
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23 comments:

  1. Yes. Kaaba was a Hindu temple which had 360 idols, worshiped by Brahmins for 2500 years. Pls visit this blog.
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    Who is aBrahm, iBrahm, Brahma and Brahmins?

    http://brahminkhalifa.blogspot.com/2011/11/who-is-abrahm-ibrahm-brahma-and.html

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  2. What a rubbish... U ppl want everything in world... sab kuch le lo bas.. Ek masjid se dil nahi bhara kya?

    Aur Eid mein forefathers ka koi connection nahi.. Stop talking like Israel...

    fake facts hain sab koi dhyan mat dena

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    1. ham to ek masjid le rhe hai or tum wo bhi dene ko taiyar nhi hain. jabki waha par hmara mandir tha. par tumne hamare kitne mandiron ko toda shayad tum yah bhul rhe ho. tumhare purvaj bhi hindu they tum yah kyon bhul jate ho. pakistan or india k muslim hindu the jinhe jabrdasti muslman bnaya gya tha. mind it.

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    2. mene samaj rahaahoon...aapkaa behjaa aapke sir se nikaliyaa hogaa..islaam me zabardasti nayi hey...aapke manu neethi me bolahuvaa hey shiv bagvaan ke sarme paithaa hone walaa Brhamin hey..then vuske neeche chathriyar then vuske neeche saanacyaa or paavme paithaa hone waale soothirar..shiv bhagvaan ke paavom me paithaa hone wale neechehi rahenaa kiyaa..vo kabi ooper nahi aasakthaa hey kiya. vuska tamlar alek hey, o aapke Gallipe nahi aasakthaahe..aapka samaan nayi chi sakthaahey...isalaam tho aise sikaathaa nayi sab aathmi yek maa baap ke bhakvaan ke paithaa karaahe sab yek aath me ye..vo aathmiko find karneke liye pataan,labbai, aise naam hey ye naam parampar ka dhanthaa kaa naam hey...kohi aapka mandir ko nayi thodaa ye aap joot bolre ho..aap saabooth bathaaye Rajesh ji vo sabooth ko aap joot karke mai todraahoon.

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  3. Kya message diya hai sir ji, is message ko poorein vishaw mein felayenge.

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    1. vikas prove that holy kabba is a temple ..if u prove it i will u give what ever u want....do u know what is the future of mankind and history of mankind ,we muslims know all what is going next to mankind and i m sure that is not good for u n you will not be able to listen

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    2. yeh is pagal ki bakwas tumhare alawa koi nahi sun ne wala, dooniya bahoot aage nikal gai hai aur tum aaj bhi linham mein atke hue ho.

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  4. great history. need to spread to all indians coz its matter of proud.muslims have accepted that they were pagan before muhammad.so there is no doubt of being a hindu temple in kabba.

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    1. Now if the uncivilised-uncultured-inhuman-impractical savage become cultured-practical-civilised and humane after accepting and converting to Iislaam, so please convert now.If u have an intelligent-open-practical-humane mind, u will see 'the light of Truth'

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    2. Hi Rajesh ji aise joke aab only karsakthey ho yaar..ye mater ko aap directly saudy Rajako bejdo yaar..bohat badaa thofaa milegaa yaar..

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  5. "Muslims are enjoined cleanliness of five parts of the body before commencing prayers. This derives from the Vedic injuction ‘Shareer Shydhyartham Panchanga Nyasah’."

    If this is so, we (hindus) aren't doing this while praying in a temple.?
    Do you mean to say king Vikramaditya acted as missionary spreading Hinduism? Please give a clear reply without any cock and bull story.

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  6. Tamil word KABALI..LATIN word CEPHALO spelt as KEPHALO says the same meaning. So, I think why don't we start a new blog saying that LATIN AND TAMIL has some common ancestral language, and pass some time.

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    1. Thank u for being an intelligent-sane-practical-logical voice.

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    2. excellent, i wish hindus can start thinking logical rather than hitting there head in jungle book.

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  7. sayed dont feel bad allah is with us he knows all .....hindus have 33 crore gods and godesses they might have not listned their names.. wherever they found a stone in the shape of shivling they began to pray it....i m so confused that how many lings does the shiv had

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  8. Aaahh--so long a comment that too without any reliable/relevant reference research material, But the 'hoaxy-Mumbo Jumbo' of a pseudo pastographer, having no information-knowledge-research material in proving his stupid argument.
    But practicality/reality apart, even if for arguments sake if we agree that Arabia-Middle East was under the domination of the Indian Hindu culture and politics and the people there were very much impressed, even after the spread the of Iislaam the Muslim following a lot of the cultural-religious-social customs and norms, so this self-contradictory statement, that Iislaam and its followers came as invaders-destroyer of 'culture-religion-lifestyle-civilisation' around the world(even Moguls were Muslims, followers of Iislaam) they are not, by not i mean not.
    And if the people of Arabia/Middle East are so connected with Hindu India, why do the 'Bastards of Devil, the corrupt-hypocrite followers of RSS, Bajrang Dal, Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Shiv Senaa, Hindu Muunnaan, so anti Iislaam/Muslim. Are they not harming the base foundation of the so called great Hindu culture and civilisation?They are and for this 'crime/sin against Humanity; they must be exemplarily punished so that this EVIL may come to an immediate end.
    Hoping to hear, an argument based upon practical-logical analysis of facts and facts alone and not some 'imbecile-moronic Mumbo Jumbo.

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  9. The "black stone" Kaaba, is encrusted in what looks like a huge vagina. Muslims should respect women and so would not have so much hate in their hearts and minds.
    PS: Muhammad to convert the Arabs took possession Kaaba of invading Mecca.

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  10. Dear Hindus

    Please be sure about your gods and goddess first. Muslims worship Allah alone. Kaaba is the house of Allah where we turn in prayer. Allah is everywhere. No matter what you people think and do or insult the muslims, the world is going to go as Allah has decided. Nobody can change it. And if you say everyone was hindu (astaghfirullah) around 5000 years back, or say 50,000 years back, then what did you people worship before that era? Now a days scientists have already proven that the world is millions of years old. So who was the first man on earth? whos house was the first house. Islam has the answer to all your queries. Read the Quran properly and you will understand. Read it with a cool mind without insulting it. Does your hinduism teach you to insult others? If not, then stop abusing muslims and harassing them.

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  11. Dear Hindu Brothers n Sister First u decide which is your Original god in India u people believe different gods. in one family different gods, trees , painting . clay, mouse, cow , snake, frog, eagle all are you god. these all animal how to come help u on the judgement day?.This Shiva, Brahma this all are your Imagination only, in your vetha book said there is only one god, then how u people believe all this gods.Even Sai Baba also said one god.God has given you mind think it choose right path..

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  12. FAILED PEOPLE, FAILED LANGUAGE,FAILED BOOK,FAKE GODS, ALL IS FAKE BUT STILL BARKING THAT ALL BELONGS TO THEM, IF YOU ARE TRUE IF YOUR GODS ARE TRUE THAN WHY IS COLLAPSED IN THE WORLD, NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT EXCEPT INDIA, WHY ALL DEMOLISHED ??? NOW REALIZED THAT WE HAVE NOTHING SO START CLAMMING OTHERS PROPERTY AS YOURS, FELT PITY ON YOU, YOU ALL CANT DO ANYTHING NOT COULD EVER ACHIEVED, SO STOP WASTING TIME AND FOCUS ON READING DEAD SANSKRIT LANGUAGE.

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  13. QUESTIONS TO STUPIDS ???

    1000 YRS BACK BOMBAY WAS JUNGLE SO WILL YOU ALL BARK NOW AND SAY THAT ALL MUMBAI GUYS ARE JUNGLI ??

    DON'T KNOW WHEN STUPIDS WILL STOP CLAIMING OTHERS THINGS AS THEIRS ?

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  14. yes before islam there was a temple inside kaaba there was many gods statue like Hubal,Manaf,Wadd,Amm,Al-Qaum,Dushara. but not your ganes,sankar,your ram your kaali,durga,all these was arebic gods that time but when ISLAM CAME ALL-THESE TYPE OF FOOLISHNESS WERE STOPED AND START WORSHIP OF ONE "ALLAH " and IT IS IN ALSO YOUR GRANTHA THERE IS NO PHOTO THERE IS NO STATUE THERE IS NO PENTING OF GOD FIRST STUDY ABOUT YOUR RELIGION AFTER OTHER OUR HINDU NAAM KA KOI DHARAM HI NAHI HAI AAPKA DHARAM KA NAAM HAI SANAATAN DHARM MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU

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  15. Dear Karsevak,
    very good blog indeed, but there is a missing Link. the Link is of kerala, lot of árabes traded thtough that route, they used our algebra and maths.
    also to all the brainwashed Muslims friends, can somebody explain me why do you circumbulate seven times in kaaba , that too anticlockwise.I tried to ask my devout Muslim friends about it and they were clueless.mecca is makka ka ishwar I our scriptures.which became mecca, pronounced by Englishmen, Madina is madh heen pur(free of intoxication) became medina, again pronounced by englishmen.Mohameds uncle was the priest of the temple.
    every body tells kaaba stone is an asteroid so is Shiva lingam. By the way lingam doesn't mean prick, if so , you Muslims take whips to kiss and rub your and fellow Muslims kerchiefs that prick.
    lingam means formless, it refers to the penial gland situated in your head which opens the door to the higher spiritual world. I can understand spirituality is beyond Muslim intellect nowadays, because you guys have denounced the Fakirs and peers it is unislamic right??
    who were Muslims before 1300 years , especially In indian subcontinent ??? Your fore fathers were forced to become Muslims by killing them or shoving beef through their throat.Proud Hindu chose to be slaughtered and the not so gutsy Hindus still retained the surname thinking that one day thier descendants will reconvert back to their original faith. citizens in Pakistan still have the surnames , like rana, choudhary, rao, thakur, Naik et al.
    we Hindus consider all the mankind as our family, we don't believe in conversions forced or by sops.
    you are worshipping Shiva lingam unknowingly or knowingly.Allah is none other than Shiva shambhoo
    let me now digress to the so many gods and goddess concept and clear the misunderstanding for once,
    god is one the supreme soul, in form or formless. I Hinduism we call it devaita and adevaita philosophy, the truth is one and the path leading to the truth are infinite, similarly you can worship any form of god, till the time you are on the path of dharma you will be able to realise the truth and will attain the highest place with brahmn.
    you can worship Sun, moon, bhavani, kaali Mata, ganesh,murugan, Hanuman, Or any ishtdev( or family deity for that matter) you will be able to achieve moksha , nirvana, or liberation from the cycle of life and death. the path chosen has to be the path of righteousness.
    Jai Shri Ram!!!

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